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Survivor 49 is back with Rob Cesternino leading an in-depth Exit Interview after one of the wildest Tribal Councils of the season. Rob is joined by Steven Ramm, known as the rocket scientist, who shares his firsthand account of what went wrong when the votes suddenly flipped against him. This episode dives deep into trust, shifting alliances, and one big plan that unraveled just when Steven thought he was safe. Rob and Steven break down all the chaotic events after Immunity, including the confusion over the "Knowledge is Power" advantage and the shocking moment when Sage and Kristina chose to betray Steven. Listeners get an insider perspective on the signs of betrayal Steven noticed, why he stuck with his original plan, and how Survivor’s unpredictable alliances can change the game in an instant. Steven recounts the uneasy feeling he got when Kristina and Sage had secret beach discussions without him—setting off alarm bells. Rob asks Steven to reflect on whether playing his advantage actually put a bigger target on his back, and if not having it could have kept him in the game. Steven reveals why he didn’t trust Yellow Sophi after being lied to, and instead saw Savannah as a more reliable, if dangerous, ally. The duo explores how Rizzo’s idol theatrics might have annoyed the jury and why Steven didn’t see Rizzo as a big endgame threat from his vantage point on the island. Steven opens up about the complexity of working with allies who didn’t always seem to “play basketball the same way,” and how missed connections led to his blindside. Heading into the finale, Rob and Steven weigh whether the tight alliances on the other side have made it impossible for underdogs to make a comeback. Will loyalty hold strong, or is another shocking blindside around the corner? To pre-order Rob's book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit http://www.robhasabook.com For all of our Survivor 49 podcasts, visit • RHAP Survivor 49 | #Survivor49 | 2025 Subscribe to RHAP: https://weknowsurvivor.com Chapters: 0:00 Intros 6:32 Tribal Council Betrayal Revealed 12:28 Alliance Loyalty Questioned 15:08 Space Fact Missed Opportunity 17:24 TWISH 🛎️ GETRHAP.com 🛎️ #survivor49 #survivor #cbssurvivor #rhap #robhasapodcast ⭐ Become a Patron & Support RHAP: http://robhasawebsite.com/patron 📱 Social Media ➡️ Website: http://RobHasAwebsite.com ➡️ Twitch: / rhap ➡️ Twitter: / robhasapodcast ➡️ Instagram: / rhapgrams ➡️ TikTok: / robhasapodcast Exit Interview | 13th Player Eliminated Survivor 49 -lp