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Hamlin Grange and Jenny Garrett

This video is a conversation between Hamlin Grange and Jenny Garrett OBE. They discuss diversity, equity, inclusion, and resilience, with Hamlin sharing his journey and insights into the field. Specifically, they talk about: *Hamlin's background:* He started his work in media as a journalist and has been driven by a curiosity about differences and a desire for fairness. *Challenges for organizations:* They highlight the need for organizations to go beyond performative measures and make resources available to do the work of DEI. *The importance of resilience:* Hamlin emphasizes the key role resilience plays in DEI work, especially in the current context of pushback against DEI initiatives. He breaks down the characteristics of resilience, including positivity, confidence, prioritizing, creativity, connection, being structured, and experimentation. *Minimization:* They discuss the concept of minimization, where individuals, both from marginalized and majority groups, downplay differences or privileges in order to fit in. *Culturally adaptive leadership:* Hamlin introduces the idea of the culturally adaptive leader, who is a lifelong learner, aware of cultural differences, and vulnerable enough to admit when they don't know something. The conversation underscores the importance of resilience, understanding cultural differences, and taking action in the DEI space. It also encourages viewers to connect with Hamlin for further discussion and exploration of these topics.