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Pastors Josh and Lisa prepare for the Second Sunday of Lent. This week's conversation covers up to Chapter 10, The Voice of Saruman, of Book Three (the first book in The Two Towers). We ask if lying serves a purpose. Please check our website https://ttandt.org for more information and schedules! 1:56 Joshua is skirting around the fact that that's what ChatGPT and other LLM "AI" systems do, and he has a very cynical thought. 6:27 "imperfect analogy" indeed, but the minor parallels are there. 7:13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegor... 11:03 Terry Pratchett, The Science of Discworld “As humans, we have invented lots of useful kinds of lie. As well as lies-to-children ('as much as they can understand') there are lies-to-bosses ('as much as they need to know') lies-to-patients ('they won't worry about what they don't know') and, for all sorts of reasons, lies-to-ourselves. Lies-to-children is simply a prevalent and necessary kind of lie. Universities are very familiar with bright, qualified [high school graduates] who arrive and then go into shock on finding that biology or physics isn't quite what they've been taught so far. 'Yes, but you needed to understand that,' they are told, 'so that now we can tell you why it isn't exactly true.' Discworld teachers know this, and use it to demonstrate why universities are truly storehouses of knowledge: students arrive from school confident that they know very nearly everything, and they leave years later certain that they know practically nothing. Where did the knowledge go in the meantime? Into the university, of course, where it is carefully dried and stored.”