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Get 50% off Claude Pro, including access to Claude Code, at http://claude.ai/theoriesofeverything As a listener of TOE you can get a special 20% off discount to The Economist and all it has to offer! Visit https://www.economist.com/toe In this episode, I speak with Stephen Wolfram—creator of Mathematica and Wolfram Language—about a “new kind of science” that treats the universe as computation. We explore computational irreducibility, discrete space, multi-way systems, and how the observer shapes the laws we perceive—from the second law of thermodynamics to quantum mechanics. Wolfram reframes Feynman diagrams as causal structures, connects evolution and modern AI through coarse fitness and assembled “lumps” of computation, and sketches a nascent theory of biology as bulk orchestration. We also discuss what makes science good: new tools, ruthless visualization, respect for history, and a field he calls “ruliology”—the study of simple rules, where anyone can still make real contributions. This is basically a documentary akin to The Life and Times of Stephen Wolfram. I hope you enjoy it. Join My New Substack (Personal Writings): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b9... Timestamps: 00:00 - How Does One Actually Do Good Science? 06:15 - Heisenberg Got Stuck: Why Physics Abandoned Discrete Space 12:08 - Computational “Animals” Are Always Smarter Than We Are 20:43 - The Ruliad: Why Humans Are More Central to Physics Than I Imagined 26:44 - Wolfram’s Method: A Fusion of Philosophy and Irrefutable Computation 32:26 - A Deeper Theory of Feynman Diagrams (What Dick Feynman Missed) 38:39 - The True Origin of the Second Law of Thermodynamics 46:55 - Is a Foundational Theory of Biology Even Possible? 53:24 - My 40-Year Failed Experiment That Finally Worked (Thanks to AI) 1:00:16 - Toward a “Theory of Bulk Orchestration” for All Evolved Systems 1:05:40 - The Strategic Weakness in Scientific Fields (And How to Exploit It) 1:10:11 - Why Spacetime Was a Foundational Mistake 1:16:01 - What is Economic Value? My Theory of Computational Reducibility 1:22:46 - What is Science? (And What is Bad Science?) 1:32:43 - The Art of Scientific Visualization (And The Spherical Snowflake Mistake) 1:40:42 - How YOU Can Genuinely Contribute to Science (Ruleology) Augmentation Lab at MIT Links: X: https://x.com/auglab Site: https://augmentationlab.org ekkolapto: / @ekkolapto3 Links mentioned: Wolfram Research: https://www.wolfram.com/ A New Kind of Science [Book]: https://www.amazon.com/New-Kind-Scien... Stephen Wolfram’s Previous Appearance [TOE]: • Solving the Problem of Consciousness | Ste... Rule 30: https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Rule30.... “I Have a Theory Too” [Article]: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2... Quantum-Chromodynamic Estimates [Paper]: https://content.wolfram.com/sw-public... Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem [TOE]: • The Most Abused Theorem in Math (Gödel's I... Yang-Hui He [TOE]: • The AI Math That Left Number Theorists Spe... Multiway Systems: https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Multiwa... David Wallace [TOE]: • The Many-Worlds Interpretation of Quantum ... Michael Levin [TOE]: • Michael Levin: Consciousness, Biology, Uni... Elan Barenholtz [TOE]: • Language Without Meaning: How LLMs Exposed... Ted Jacobson [TOE]: • The Physicist Who Proved Entropy = Gravity Sean Carroll [TOE]: • The "Crisis" in (Fundamental) Physics Expl... David Kaiser [TOE]: • MIT Scientist's Discovery: "Black Holes Mi... SUPPORT: Become a YouTube Member (Early Access Videos): / @theoriesofeverything Support me on Patreon: / curtjaimungal Support me on Crypto: https://commerce.coinbase.com/checkou... Support me on PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_... SOCIALS: Twitter: / toewithcurt Discord Invite: / discord Guests do not pay to appear. Theories of Everything receives revenue solely from viewer donations, platform ads, and clearly labelled sponsors; no guest or associated entity has ever given compensation, directly or through intermediaries. #science