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After the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, abortions in the United States actually went up, in part because of a novel legal strategy that pitted blue states against red states. Pam Belluck, who covers health and science for The Times, discusses that strategy and explains how proceedings against a New York doctor could take it apart. Guest: Pam Belluck (https://www.nytimes.com/by/pam-belluck) , a health and science reporter at The New York Times. Background reading: • The Louisiana case appears to be the first time criminal charges have been filed (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/31/he...) against an abortion provider for sending pills into a state with a ban. • From 2024: Abortion shield laws are a new war between the states (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/22/he...) . For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily (http://nytimes.com/thedaily?smid=pc-t...) . Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Evelyn Hockstein/Reuters Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts (http://nytimes.com/podcasts) or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-acce.... For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.