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Michael Steele speaks with Pulitzer Prize-winning author and staff writer at The Atlantic, Anne Applebaum about her new book, "Autocracy, Inc.: The Dictators Who Want to Run the World.” The pair discuss the network of countries united by their common interest in maintaining absolute power, the reasons why people are attracted to autocratic regimes, the tactics used by modern autocrats, and the importance of civic engagement in preserving democracy. Check out the book here: https://www.amazon.com/Autocracy-Inc-... If you enjoyed this podcast, be sure to leave a review or share it with a friend! Follow Anne Applebaum @anneapplebaum Follow Michael @MichaelSteele Follow the podcast @steele_podcast Follow The Bulwark @BulwarkOnline 00:00 Cold Open 0:02:45 Interview Begins 0:05:47 The Origin of Autocracies Around the World 0:9:21 Why People and Civilizations Allow Themselves to be Run by Autocrats 0:11:32 Most Civilizations Throughout History Have Been Autocratic 0:12:55 All Modern Autocrats Use a Similar Argument 0:13:49 The "Appeal" of Autocracy 0:19:46 How Modern Day Autocrats Compare to 20th Century Autocrats 0:22:00 What Russians Think About Putin 0:25:03 The Most Dangerous Thing for a Democracy 0:29:46 How Autocracies Keep Track of Each Other's Failures and Victories 0:31:30 How Autocracies Play Off One Another 0:39:05 How MAGA and Project 2025 Fit into Autocracy Inc 0:52:27 Concerns of a Second Trump Presidency and What Measures Can Be Taken to Combat Autocracy 🔥 Get 30 days of Bulwark+ absolutely free: https://thebulwark.com/freetrial