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Mark sits down with icon carver and Symbolic World founder Jonathan Pageau for one of the most wide-ranging and provocative conversations on the podcast. From the meaning crisis to the collapse of the post-World War II consensus, from transhumanism to embodiment, from nationalism to online culture — this is a deep dive into what is happening to the West. They explore: • Why modernity delivered everything it promised - and still left people depressed • The Jordan Peterson “meaning crisis” moment - and what comes next • Why boundaries, hierarchy and identity are being demonised • The rise of trans ideology and the push toward disembodiment • Why symbolism isn’t just psychological - it’s real • The post-WWII story that shaped our politics (and why it’s collapsing) • Israel, nationalism and the victim narrative in modern politics • Why young men feel lost - and what to do about it • Why church, ritual and real community matter more than ever This conversation is not about nostalgia. It’s about clarity. About understanding the shape of reality - and learning how to live inside it without bitterness. If you care about culture, faith, masculinity, meaning, embodiment, politics and the future of the West - this is essential listening. #meaningcrisis #jonathanpageau #modernity #christianrevival #transhumanism #symbolism #westerncivilization #jordanpeterson #culturalcommentary #faithandculture #nationalidentity #masculinitycrisis #embodiment #postmodernism #spiritualawakening #tradition #politicalphilosophy #conservativethought #culturewar #podcast