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Ethan Zuckerman is a professor at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst where he teaches public policy, communication and information. He founded the Initiative for Digital Public Infrastructure, an organization that studies the civic and social role of internet platforms, and advocates for approaches to digital infrastructures that treat platforms as public goods, not purely as profit-making ventures. He is the author of Mistrust: Why Losing Faith in Institutions Provides the Tools to Transform Them (https://bookshop.org/p/books/mistrust...) and Digital Cosmopolitans: Why We Think the Internet Connects Us, Why It Doesn't, and How to Rewire It (https://bookshop.org/p/books/digital-...) . This conversation was recorded on April 18, 2025 Follow Ethan on Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/ethanz.bsky....) , X (https://x.com/EthanZ?s=20) , LinkedIn ( / ethan-zuckerman-16a4618b ) , and his website (https://ethanzuckerman.com) . Follow Ramesh on Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/utopiaspodca...) , X (https://x.com/RameshMedias) , YouTube ( / @utopias_podcast ) , Instagram ( / utopias_podcast ) , TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@utopias_podca...) , LinkedIn ( / ramesh-srinivasan-1081261a ) , and his website (https://www.rameshsrinivasan.org/) . Questions or comments? Email podcastutopias@gmail.com. This podcast may contain explicit language and content that is not suitable for all audiences.