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Eric Ma, who leads Research Data Science in the Data Science and AI group at Moderna, joins Hugo on moving past the hype of autonomous agents to build reliable, high-value workflows. We discuss: Reliable Workflows: Prioritize rigid workflows over dynamic AI agents to ensure reliability and minimize stochasticity in production environments; Permission Mapping: The true challenge in regulated environments is security, specifically mapping permissions across source documents, vector stores, and model weights; Trace Log Risk: LLM execution traces pose a regulatory risk, inadvertently leaking restricted data like trade secrets or personal information; High-Value Data Work: LLMs excel at transforming archived documents and freeform forms into required formats, offloading significant “janitorial” work from scientists; “Non-LLM” First: Solve problems with simpler tools like Python or ML models before LLMs to ensure robustness and eliminate generative AI stochasticity; Contextual Evaluation: Tailor evaluation rigor to consequences; low-stakes tools can be “vibe-checked,” while patient safety outputs demand exhaustive error characterization; Serverless Biotech Backbone: Serverless infrastructure like Modal and reactive notebooks such as Marimo empowers biotech data scientists for rapid deployment without heavy infrastructure overhead. Check out more here: https://hugobowne.substack.com/p/epis... Want to learn more? Join the final cohort of our Building AI Applications course in Q1, 2026 (25% off for listeners): https://maven.com/hugo-stefan/buildin... 00:00 Defining Agents and Workflows 02:04 Challenges in Regulated Environments 04:24 Eric Ma's Role at Moderna, Leading Research Data Science in the Data Science and AI Group 12:37 Document Reformatting and Automation 15:42 Data Security and Permission Mapping 20:05 Choosing the Right Model for Production 20:41 Evaluating Model Changes with Benchmarks 23:10 Vibe-Based Evaluation vs. Formal Testing 27:22 Security and Fine-Tuning in LLMs 28:45 Challenges and Future of Fine-Tuning 34:00 Security Layers and Information Leakage 37:48 Wrap-Up and Final Remarks