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Alex Greene talks with Liza Kimble, a body therapist from South Africa who combines TRE (Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises) with gentle touch work. Liza has worked with bodies for 32 years and discovered that lighter touch often works better than deep, painful massage. She works with both people and horses, teaching them how to release tension through natural tremoring. Liza shares how she went from doing very intense massage work to learning gentler approaches that help the nervous system feel safe. Her work with horses taught her important lessons about healing - when horses feel comfortable, they naturally start to shake and release stored stress. She's excited to present her work at a big research conference in New Orleans. The conversation covers how to combine different healing methods, why therapists need to take care of themselves, and Liza's interest in ancient wisdom about human behavior patterns. This episode helps both therapists and regular people understand how gentle body work can help heal trauma and calm the nervous system. Key Highlights: 00:01 - Background introduction 00:03 - Massage therapy beginnings 00:05 - Psoas activation discovery 00:07 - Meeting David Berceli 00:09 - First TRE experience 00:12 - Combining TRE fascial 00:14 - Fascia Congress attendance 00:16 - Horse tremoring discovery 00:19 - Touch technique evolution 00:22 - Client homework protocols 00:25 - Horse therapy training 00:29 - Traumatized horse transformation 00:34 - Horse tremoring patterns 00:37 - Equine therapy philosophy 00:42 - Teaching methodology evolution 00:44 - Upcoming Congress excitement 00:50 - Human algorithm teachings Links and Resources: International Fascia Research Congress: https://www.frscongress.org/ Liza’s Website: https://lizakimble.com/ Polyvagal Theory resources by Dr. Stephen Porges: https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org/wh... Tom Myers' Anatomy Trains and fascial meridians: https://www.myersmyofascialmeridians....