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In this episode, we talk with Shanthini Baskaran about spiritual formation, soul care, and the inner life of those called to ministry. Together, we explore how busyness, identity, and constant demands can quietly erode our attentiveness to God, even when we are doing God’s work. Shanthini invites us into a vision of prayer, rest, and community that is rooted in deep intimacy with Jesus and sustained by daily rhythms. We reflect on how tending our own souls is essential for long-term faithfulness and joy in ministry. Soul Care Institute: www.soulcareinstitute.com (http://www.soulcareinstitute.com) . Shanthini’s email: shanthinib@gmail.com (mailto:shanthinib@gmail.com) . Pre-order Matt’s book, The Pastor as Gardener: A Renewed Vision for Ministry (https://www.eerdmans.com/978080288414...) , and then visit his blog to sign-up for pre-order incentives: www.mwerickson.com (http://www.mwerickson.com) . Chapters 00:00 - Intro 00:32 - Introducing Shanthini Baskaran 02:15 - Shanthini's Current Work 03:43 - Shanthini's Background in Ministry 06:48 - What Gets in the Way of Soul Care 12:11 - Attentiveness Through the Examen 18:06 - The Journey of Prayer 24:47 - A Unique Perspective on Soul Care 29:12 - Spiritual Formation and Community 33:09 - Family and Ministry 35:57 - Parenting is Disciple-Making 38:51 - Relying on God’s Wisdom 41:40 - Trusting the Long Work of God 43:38 - Where to Find Shanthini 44:34 - Outro