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Creating Trust Through Safe Danger at Work

Ready to build your Team Building skills? Explore IDEO U courses → https://www.ideou.com/collections/lea... In this episode of the Creative Confidence Podcast, host Mina Seetharaman sits down with Ben Swire, Co-founder of Make Believe Works and author of Safe Danger, to explore how leaders can build trust and vulnerability in the workplace. Together, they unpack what real team building looks like—and why creating psychological safety doesn’t mean making everyone comfortable. Ben introduces the concept of Safe Danger: designing spaces where teams can take meaningful risks, practice vulnerability, and grow together without fear of retribution. From practical facilitation tips to everyday leadership behaviors, this conversation offers actionable insights for leaders who want stronger, more creative teams. Key Takeaways Team building is infrastructure, not entertainment. Effective team building isn’t about fun alone—it’s about behavior change, trust-building, and creating the conditions for real collaboration. Psychological safety is not comfort. Safety doesn’t remove friction—it creates enough trust for disagreement, critique, and vulnerability to become productive forces. Risk-taking is a muscle leaders must model. Teams learn to take bold, creative risks when leaders demonstrate vulnerability, reward learning, and respond constructively to failure. Timestamps: 00:00 Welcome + Global Community Check-In 02:11 Why Team Building Makes Leaders Nervous 03:02 What Is “Safe Danger”? 05:05 Safe Danger Warm-Up Activity 07:49 Storytelling as Vulnerability Practice 12:20 Why Most Team Building Fails 16:47 The 3 Team Building Traps to Avoid 19:25 Psychological Safety in Remote Teams 24:11 Safety vs. Comfort at Work 28:42 Why Leaders Must Model Risk 31:46 Risk-Taking as a Practice 37:29 Why Tools & Frameworks Fail Without Trust 39:59 Good vs. Bad Risk in Leadership 44:20 Can Introverts Be Great Facilitators? 48:15 Audience Q&A: Leading in Unsafe Cultures 55:50 Lightning Round with Ben Swire 01:00:59 Final Takeaways on Trust & Safe Danger Helpful Links Additional IDEO U Resources on Team Building: https://www.ideou.com/pages/team-trai... IDEO U Leadership Courses: https://www.ideou.com/collections/lea... Follow IDEO U on LinkedIn:   / ideo-u   IDEO U’s Creative Confidence Podcast Series: https://www.ideou.com/pages/creative-... If you're enrolled in one of our classes or courses, or have general questions or feedback please email us at hello@ideou.com #TeamBuilding #PsychologicalSafety #LeadershipDevelopment #WorkplaceCulture #CreativeConfidence #VulnerabilityInLeadership