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In Episode Four, host Fran George (he/him) sits down with local musician, ex-pop locker, and entrepreneur JackFayt for a hilarious, honest, and surprisingly deep conversation about movement, music, and community. From dance floors to DIY venues, the two unpack the unspoken racial dancing barriers that show up in scenes everywhere—and how Tulsa is uniquely positioned to break them down. With plenty of laughs and real talk, Fran and Jack explore what it actually takes to create a music scene instead of just waiting for one to happen: showing up, collaborating across cultures, and making spaces where everyone feels invited to move. It’s funny, thoughtful, and full of heart—part dance history, part Tulsa love letter, part blueprint for building something better together. What you’ll hear: • 🕺🏽 How dance styles get racialized (and how to unlearn that) • 🎶 Building a music scene from the ground up in Tulsa • 😂 Pop locking stories, awkward dance floors, and shared laughs • 🤝 Why inclusion isn’t a buzzword—it’s a practice Press play, loosen up, and let this one move you—literally and figuratively.