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A panel discussion on how people actually use AI in their day-to-day software work, with special guests John Allspaw, Sheeri Cabral, Martin Smith and David Woods. Special thanks to John Allspaw, Sheeri Cabral, Martin Smith, and David Woods for joining us! Ben Affleck’s been making the promo rounds, but the specific convo we reference is recapped here: https://www.moviemaker.com/ben-afflec... The Messy 9 are: congestion cascade conflict lag saturation friction tempo surprise tangles Dave’s been doing a set of videos on Resilience Engineering, some of which have some crossover with the Messy 9 - you can find the first one here: https://resiliencefoundations.github.... Previous TiF episode on the messy 9: https://www.thisisfinepod.com/the-pod... Richard Cook on Above the Line/Below the Line: Written - https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/33... A good excerpt from a talk from John Allspaw on Above the Line/Below the Line: • Taking Human Performance Seriously: "Above... Colette mentioned the competence knowledge model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_st... There’s a good argument based on the conversation here that AI makes it harder for Consciously Incompetent people to graduate to Conscious Competence. And, in Martin’s case, it makes Unconsciously Competent folks need to backtrack into Conscience Competence to “teach” it how to do things they don’t always think about. We can reset the clock to 0 episodes since we’ve mentioned the Ironies of Automation: https://ckrybus.com/static/papers/Bai... There is a good blog on Jamie Zawinski’s saying on regular expressions here: https://regex.info/blog/2006-09-15/247 Alex Gorbachev and The Battle Against Any Guess seems to have become a paper https://www.researchgate.net/publicat... Dave talks about Robust Yet Fragile as part of Resilience Engineering here: • Resilience Engineering 101: Part 2.5 - Rob... Lorin Hochstein’s blog post that Dave is referencing is https://surfingcomplexity.blog/2026/0... Fred writes a good one on the Law of Stretched Systems: https://ferd.ca/the-law-of-stretched-... The 1985 paper Dave keeps mentioning could be any number of things he released that year, but I have a hunch it’s this one: https://ojs.aaai.org/aimagazine/index... or this one: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.... Dave references a lot of things around the economic sustainability around AI, and Ed Zitron has been writing quite a bit about that for the last year and change. See: https://www.wheresyoured.at/wheres-th... https://www.wheresyoured.at/big-tech-... Among others.