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Interested in being a guest? Email us at admin@evankirstel.com (https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/tex...) How do you protect teenagers online without turning every app into an ID checkpoint? That's the question governments, platforms, and parents are all wrestling with right now — and most of the answers so far have been blunt, binary, and broken. We sat down with our guest from TELUS Digital to go beyond the headlines and into the actual design challenge: what age verification gets right, what it gets dangerously wrong, and how to build systems that protect young people without making privacy feel like a casualty. Here's what we unpacked: The smartest approach isn't one-size-fits-all. It's layered and proportionate: → *Low-risk spaces* (forums, general content) can rely on self-declaration and behavioral signals → *Medium-risk spaces* use facial age estimation — a quick confidence range, image deleted immediately, no data stored → *High-risk spaces* (adult content, dating, gambling) justify stronger verification with human-in-the-loop review The architecture matters as much as the intent. Poor design is how safety becomes surveillance. Transparency is the trust engine.Us ers need to know why their data is requested, how it's processed, and what they can do when the system gets it wrong. Appeals aren't a nice-to-have — they're the difference between a system people accept and one they route around. We also got into the real trade-offs nobody talks about enough: accuracy, privacy, inclusion, and the very real risk that blanket bans — like those emerging in Australia, Spain, and across the EU — backfire without safer defaults, stronger parental tools, and genuine digital literacy investment. Our guest walks through how TELUS Digital supports clients across the full stack: content moderation, fraud prevention, bias testing, account security, age estimation models, and verification systems built to correct mistakes at scale. And we close on where this is all heading — zero-knowledge proofs, privacy-preserving credentials, and portable age attestations that raise protections while reducing data exposure. The technology is ahead of the policy. The question is whether platforms will lead or wait to be forced. If you're building products that touch teenagers, this conversation is for you. PodMatch (https://podmatch.com) PodMatch Automatically Matches Ideal Podcast Guests and Hosts For Interviews Support the show (https://www.buzzsprout.com/2228835/su...) More at https://linktr.ee/EvanKirstel