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In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge sits down with Sam Williams, co-founder & CEO of Arweave, to unpack the economics, technology, and vision behind decentralized permanent storage and compute. 🧠 Topics we cover: How Arweave achieves near-perpetual storage using an endowment model that beats AWS costs over time The tokenomics that underpin Arweave’s long-term sustainability and value capture Why Arweave’s system is inherently trustless, ensuring data integrity without centralized control How Arweave’s unique model incentivizes miners to keep costs low while locking up tokens in long-term endowments The relationship between Arweave and AO, its decentralized compute platform, and why AI workloads are driving massive growth How Arweave competes with traditional cloud providers by delivering a more resilient and cost-effective solution Why the concept of permanent storage changes the way users think about data, information trust, and misinformation If you’re curious about how decentralized networks can provide real-world value while tackling some of the biggest challenges in infrastructure, this episode is a must-listen 🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍 Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:15 The Origins of Arweave & the Birth of the Permaweb 07:23 15 Billion Files and Counting: Who’s Using the Permawe 10:40 How Arweave’s Permanent Storage Unlocked Scalable Comput 14:06 Reinventing the Operating System for Web 17:25 AO’s Architecture: Scheduling, Messaging, and a Peer-to-Peer Compute Network 20:47 Why Demand is Harder than Supply in DePIN 29:53 Endowment Economics: Turning Declining Costs into Sustainable Storage 32:38 Engineering 200 Years of Trustless Storage 36:55 Breaking Down the Cost: Arweave vs. AWS Storage 39:38 How AO Drives 60% of Arweave’s Data 44:15 Why 95% of Your Payment Never Re-Enters Circulatio 47:33 The Use Case Behind AO: Public Supercompute + Endowment Expansion 50:10 15B Data Items and Counting: How Arweave Measures Growth 54:51 DePIN May Skip the SMB Phase Entirely 56:13 Decentralized Infrastructure Against Authoritarianism: Arweave’s Core Missio 58:57 Decentralized Storage Means No One Controls the Narrativ 01:00:00 Trustless AI Agents 01:03:26 How to Join the Arweave Ecosystem and Start Storing Data Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5FrA... Listen on Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/id/podcast... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DePINed Podcast Website: https://depined.xyz DePINed Podcast on X: / depinday DePINed LinkedIn: / depined-podcast -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guest: Sam Williams, Arweave / samecwilliams / arweaveeco https://arweave.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Host: Tom Trowbridge, Fluence / thetomtrow Fluence: / fluence_project https://fluence.network Disclaimer: The commentary in this podcast is provided for general informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, investment, tax, legal or accounting advice!