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How do carnal love and divine love differ? Can romantic love also be divine? The lover of Phaedrus asks the timeless question, which in modern world can be stated: Should we enjoy our women in the same manner as we enjoy our beer? How comparable is homosexual love to love between a man and a woman? For more interesting videos, please click to subscribe to our YouTube Channel: / @reflectionsmph Shortcut: / @reflectionsmph Script for this video: https://www.slideshare.net/BruceStrom... © Copyright 2023 This blog includes footnotes and Amazon book links. https://seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/pl... We also reflect on: • Differences between the Platonic Dialogues on love featuring Socrates: Symposium and Phaedrus. • How Socrates does not condemn homosexuality and pederasty, or men-boy love, which the ancient world eventually rejected, as did Judaism and Christianity. Socrates did condemn manipulative relationships, particularly pederasty. • How Socrates shows that the speech by Lysias is both morally and rhetorically defective, how rhetoric should not deceive. • Example of the Parable of the Great Banquet. • Great Courses lectures by the Platonic enthusiast, Professor Michael Sugrue. Please support our efforts, be a patron, at: / seekingvirtueandwisdom Patrons can participate in online Zoom discussions of draft presentations we prepare for future YouTube videos. As Socrates teaches us, the examined life is a life worth living. We would be fools if we did not desire to learn from our multitude of friends whose words live in the works of the classics that have survived from past centuries and millennia. The Stoic and moral philosophers of Greece and Rome saw philosophy as an evangelical enterprise, seeking to spread the joy of living a godly life for its own sake. Our projects include: Studying the teachings of the ancient and modern stoic and moral philosophers on how to better lead a godly life. Studying ancient and modern history to learn moral lessons and learn how we can successfully live a life of faith in trying times, including civil rights and social gospel history. Studying issues of morality in the Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant and Jewish traditions. Everyone should join and participate in their local church. However, my internet persona is purposefully obscure so that I can be respectful of all genuine Judeo-Christian traditions, I do not wish to be disrespectfully polemical. This is original content based on research by Bruce Strom and his blogs. Images in the Public Domain, many from Wikipedia, some from the National Archives, are selected to provide illustration. When images of the actual topic or event are not available in the Public Domain, images of similar objects and events are used for illustration. All events are portrayed in historical context and for educational purposes. No images or content are primarily intended to shock and disgust. The ancient world was a warrior culture out of necessity, to learn from the distant past we should not only judge them from our modern perspective but also from their own ancient perspective on their own terms.