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This is the thirty-eighth episode of The Hub's bi-weekly series featuring Sean Speer in conversation with leading author, journalist, and thinker David Frum. The two discuss the politics of energy policy in Canada, the tradeoffs between the economy and environment, and the need to resist thinking about energy policy as a matter of culture or morality. The Hub Dialogues feature The Hub's editor-at-large, Sean Speer, in conversation with leading entrepreneurs, policymakers, scholars, and thinkers on the issues and challenges that will shape Canada's future at home and abroad. The episodes are generously supported by The Ira Gluskin And Maxine Granovsky Gluskin Charitable Foundation. If you like what you are hearing on Hub Dialogues consider subscribing to The Hub's free weekly email newsletter featuring our insights and analysis on public policy issues. Sign up here: https://thehub.ca/free-member-sign-up/.