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In this episode of Together: A Higher-Ed Podcast, we’re joined by Jason Perry, Vice President for Government Relations and Director of the Hinckley Institute of Politics at the University of Utah, to explore how student internships, public policy, government relations, and listening shape higher education today. Jason shares his journey from law and government service into higher ed leadership, highlighting the critical role of internships, advocacy, and relationship-building in supporting student success and institutional impact. He also discusses the challenges facing public higher education, the power of listening, and why lasting change requires ongoing commitment, even during difficult times. Whether you’re a student, policymaker, or higher ed leader, this conversation offers powerful insights into navigating change and strengthening community connections. Learn more about the Office of Undergraduate Studies: https://us.utah.edu Timestamps: 00:00 - Welcome to Together: A Higher-Ed Podcast 00:40 - How did your journey into higher education begin? 03:30 - What makes Hinkley internships so transformative for students? 06:37 - How did you find yourself at the University of Utah? 09:52 - What challenges and opportunities face public higher education today? 12:05 - How do relationships and storytelling help higher ed? 14:44 - How can listening strengthen leadership and collaboration? 18:45 - What does it mean to hold your beliefs "tentative"? 21:13 - How can we create lasting transformative change together? #highered #studentsuccess #leadership #publicpolicy #togetherpodcast