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10 tao a se selo, especially in real time with one of the best lyricist chilling in the middle seat. Mapara le di cherrie, please help us welcome Thato Saul. A longtime coming, it's a heavily requested and we did what we had to do. There was definitely a lot to go through, some heavy, some light but all around great. A lot of knowledge darts were shared in this episode, so, before we say a lot and get into mathata a ma baie, press play and listen to Thato Mathata speak, enjoy! 00:00 Intros 04:30 The Start - 10K 08:04 Basketball and Other Influences 19:50 Going Biographical with The Raps 31:19 Content With Worst Possible Outcomes 47:00 Learning The Other Side of Life 56:05 Being Saved By The Music 01:07:45 Thato The Producer 01:18:40 Achieving Label Goals Independently 01:24:55 The Process and Perfection 01:39:52 The Pain of Being The One 01:45:40 Dealing With Continued Loss 01:54:10 '05 The Toughest Year 02:10:00 Homage To Riky Rick and All The Homies 02:23:30 Outros Follow Thato Saul @ThatoSaul_ on the socials Follow The Sobering on the socials IG: TheSobering Tw: TheSoberingPod FB: The Sobering Podcast Hosts @Mokgethwa__ @Fratpacker @Fratpackmusic Produced by The Sobering Engineer: Kitso Moremi @fratpackmusic Editor and Videographer: Kitso Moremi @fratpackmusic