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The labor market is evolving faster than traditional signals of competence can keep up. Roles are shifting, technology is accelerating, and employers are searching for clearer ways to identify real capability. In that environment, degrees remain valuable, but verified skills are becoming increasingly central to hiring and advancement. In a marketplace now saturated with more than a million credentials, clarity has become the differentiator. Some credentials function as marketing tools. Others function as infrastructure for trust. The difference lies in independence, rigor, defensibility, and industry validation. In this conversation with Kathleen McNally, CEO of NOCTI, we explore how high-quality third-party credentials create reliable signals for employers, meaningful exit value for learners, and actionable tools for educators. From ISO-backed certification standards to performance testing and stackable micro-credentials, this episode reframes credentials as essential infrastructure for a more agile, skills-driven economy. 00:00 The Skills Economy and the Rise of Credentials 04:12 Are Credentials Replacing Degrees? 08:47 What Makes a Third Party Credential Legitimate 14:26 Inside the ISO 17024 Certification Standard 20:18 Performance Testing and Real Job Readiness 26:05 Employer Risk and Hiring Confidence 31:42 The Problem of Credential Noise 36:10 Micro Credentials and Stackable Pathways 41:55 Exit Value for Students and Graduates 47:08 How Schools Should Embed Certifications 52:34 Helping HR Understand Credential Value 57:22 The Future of Verified Skills Resources 👉 Check out the episode page: https://techedpodcast.com/mncally/ SUBSCRIBE on YouTube or your favorite podcast platform: 🎧 Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... 🎧 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3RQqQ4N... Come hang out on social media: / the-teched-podcast / techedpodcast / teched_podcast / techedpodcast Want to be featured as a guest? ➡️ Apply to be a guest on The TechEd Podcast: https://techedpodcast.com/contact/