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In this episode of Cyber Smokehouse, hosts Ernie and Graeme sit down with Damian Apone, cybersecurity executive and practitioner with deep experience building and operating security programs inside complex organizations. Damian brings a grounded, real-world perspective on why cybersecurity initiatives often fail, not because of missing tools, but because of misalignment between people, process, and technology. He shares hard-earned lessons on operationalizing cyber resilience, managing risk in imperfect environments, and helping leaders move beyond checkbox compliance toward security programs that actually work in practice. The conversation covers executive communication, prioritization, realistic threat modeling, and why resilience, not perfection, is the goal. Takeaways: ~Cybersecurity failures rarely stem from missing tools. Most breakdowns occur in the handoffs between people, processes, and technology where ownership is unclear and assumptions go unchallenged. ~Resilience matters more than perfection. Effective security programs assume disruptions will happen and focus on detection, response, and recovery rather than trying to prevent every possible incident. ~Security must function in real-world conditions. Controls and processes should reflect how teams actually work under pressure, not how frameworks assume they operate in ideal scenarios. ~Prioritization is essential to managing risk. Organizations must clearly define which assets and threats matter most to avoid spreading security efforts too thin. ~Executive understanding drives program success. When leaders grasp tradeoffs and business impacts, security initiatives are more likely to be funded, supported, and followed. ~Compliance is a baseline, not a strategy. Checking boxes may satisfy auditors, but it does not guarantee resilience or meaningful risk reduction. ~Cyber programs must continuously evolve. Threats, technology, and business priorities change, security strategies must adapt accordingly to remain effective. Quote of the Show: “Resilience isn’t about preventing every failure; it’s about being ready when failure happens.” Links: LinkedIn: / damian-apone-csm-mba-pmp-a45a97 Website: http://genpt.com Ways to Tune In: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5LuXXqb... Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/cy... Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/40a... iHeart Radio: https://iheart.com/podcast/319629841/ Podchaser: https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/cy...