Edward Feser's God Proof DESTROYED: 'It's The Same F***ing Argument!' | Forrest Valkai & Owen Morgan скачать в хорошем качестве

Edward Feser's God Proof DESTROYED: 'It's The Same F***ing Argument!' | Forrest Valkai & Owen Morgan

Original Episode Here: https://youtube.com/live/NK0A_D3XctE Alive, an agnostic caller from India, phones in to discuss Edward Feser's Argument from Change—a philosophical proof for God's existence that left him questioning his position. Feser's 2017 book "Five Proofs of the Existence of God" presents an Aristotelian argument claiming that all change requires actualization of potential, leading to a hierarchical series that must terminate in a "purely actual actualizer" to avoid infinite regress. Forrest and Owen immediately recognize this as a repackaged first cause argument, with Owen passionately dismantling the logic and questioning why anyone would abandon reason to justify religious beliefs. The conversation takes an interesting turn when Alive admits he'd call anything serving this role "God," even if it's just the nature of the universe. Forrest pushes back hard, arguing that using "God" to describe natural phenomena is misleading and harmful, since 99% of people interpret it as an intelligent agent. The hosts draw parallels to Spinoza's God and Einstein's poetic usage, emphasizing that intellectual honesty requires calling things what they are without the baggage of theological language. SUPPORT THE NETWORK --------------------------------------------------- Patreon:   / calltheline   Become a Channel Member:    / thelinecallinshows   Send A Super Thanks (In Comments) SUPPORT PRODUCTION --------------------------------------------------- Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/mratheist Cashapp: https://cash.app/$jimmyasnow Amazon Wishlist: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls... MORE LIVE SHOWS & CLIPS --------------------------------------------------- The Line:    / @qnaline   CONTACT US --------------------------------------------------- contact@qnaline.com HOSTS --------------------------------------------------- ADDRESS --------------------------------------------------- The Line 110 N Interstate 35 Suite 315-1027 Round Rock, TX 78681 United States