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In this month's episode, Lucy Ridge is joined by Tammi Jonas and Raj Patel. Tammi and Raj have been in conversation over the last few years in various contexts, here they focus on the role of the state in our food systems, and how to create the counter hegemony. The conversation explores the deeply human work of movement building with Raj talking to his lived experiences in South Africa, the Americas and beyond. In these times of trouble this conversation brings hope to the table to build the future we need. Tammi Jonas is AFSA's focal Point for Farmers and grows uncommonly delicious pork and beef on the unceded lands of the Dja Dja Wurrung. Raj Patel is an award-winning author, filmmaker, and academic who has been deeply engaged in the work of food sovereignty across the globe. AFSA: https://afsa.org.au/ Follow this link to help fund this podcast: https://buymeacoffee.com/agroecologyr... Raj Patel: https://rajpatel.org/ HEAL Food Alliance: https://healfoodalliance.org/ Abahlali baseMjondolo: https://abahlali.org/