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Cyber attacks have become part of everyday life — often invisible, rarely dramatic, but highly effective. In this conversation, Suki Fuller, expert in geopolitical strategy, and Dr. Volker Pötzsch, Head of the INNO development task force in the Innovation and Cyber Division of the German Federal Ministry of Defence, discuss cyberwar and hybrid warfare, digital sovereignty, strategic dependencies, and why security is no longer a stable end state but a permanent race. They explore Europe’s growing vulnerability in the digital domain, the tension between speed and control, and the role of citizens in an increasingly networked world — where humans are both the weakest link and the greatest source of resilience. The discussion, hosted by Tina Kulow, took place at the 48forward Festival 2025 at the Alte Kongresshalle in Munich. Follow us on Instagram: / 48fwrd More podcasts are available at: https://48forward.com