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A few times in tech, two streams collide and everything changes. David Kilzer has spent 50 years deploying automation across manufacturing and distribution worldwide. He thinks the convergence of AI and humanoid robotics is the biggest shift humankind has faced since fire. This conversation unpacks what that means for organizations making technology decisions right now. In this episode: Where automation ends and AI begins Why confusing the two builds systems that crack under pressure The Walmart RPA story and what it teaches about brittleness How humanoid robots change the economics of manufacturing Digital twins, open APIs, and building for adaptability Safety in shared human-robot workspaces What students and leaders should be developing right now Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction and David's background 1:52 50 years of automation and technology convergences 4:56 What should people be studying and building toward 9:22 Automation vs AI, where each one actually helps 14:24 The danger of applying AI to solved problems 17:49 The Walmart RPA story 19:26 Learning curves and real-world code quality 23:00 Humanoid robots and the economics of manufacturing 26:17 Digital twins, open APIs, and adaptability 28:53 Safety in collaborative human-robot environments 33:04 Takeaways This week's takeaways: Stay optimistic, stay connected, and participate in the change. Don't be overrun by it. Automation works brilliantly within its designed boundaries. But unprecedented events expose its fragility in ways we don't always anticipate. The shift toward flexible, adaptable robots means the environment no longer has to be built around the machine. The machine adjusts to the environment instead. About David Kilzer: David Kilzer is a TEDx speaker and founding principal at Strategic Transformation Advisors, a firm built to help companies navigate the intersection of AI and humanoid robotics. He brings 50 years of hands-on experience deploying automation across manufacturing, distribution, and supply chain operations around the world. Based in Scottsdale, Arizona. Connect with the show Website: definitelymaybeagile.com Feedback: feedback@definitelymaybeagile.com Definitely Maybe Agile is hosted by Peter Maddison and Dave Sharrock. Every episode explores the art and science of digital, agile, and DevOps at scale.