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In this episode of "Who Would Have Thought!", Sasha Lukavchenko speaks with Steven Ebbers, a former professional athlete, trauma-informed breathwork facilitator, and psychotherapist within the Somatic Therapy Practice network. Steven shares his personal experience with burnout during his athletic career and how high performers often overlook the role of the body, nervous system, and lived experience in burnout and recovery. Together, Sasha and Steven explore why insight and mindset shifts are often not enough, and how embodiment, breathwork and learning to feel played a key role in Steven’s healing. This episode is for high achievers, athletes, founders, and professionals who feel stuck in burnout and are looking for deeper, sustainable ways to recover beyond performance and productivity - as well as for anyone interested in somatic therapy, trauma-informed breathwork, embodiment, and moving beyond purely cognitive approaches to mental health and personal growth. Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction 02:04 - Steven's background: Growing up in a psychology family 04:34 - The moment everything clicked: From understanding to feeling 08:16 - Why experience matters more than narrative 09:25 - The random path to breathwork 11:04 - What breathwork actually is (and isn't) 13:21 - Shifting from spiritual bypassing to real inner work 14:33 - The importance of early somatic education 15:08 - What surprised Steven most about going deeper 16:37 - The trap of personal development addiction 17:33 - Holding conflicting truths about your past 18:34 - The divine comedy: Not taking yourself too seriously 20:01 - "My precious healing" - Taking healing too seriously 22:06 - Common patterns with entrepreneurs and founders 23:00 - Focus on the driver behind the door 24:37 - Steven's relationship with entrepreneurship and scale 27:24 - Recovery time: From two years to three weeks 28:44 - Listening to your body's signals before burnout 28:47 - Final wisdom: Spend more time on awareness 31:04 - Closing thoughts and where to find Steven Links: Steven Ebbers' website: https://breathlife.space/ Book a session with Steven directly: https://somatictherapypractice.com/th... (the first session is free!) About the host: Sasha Lukavchenko is a somatic psychotherapist, psychologist, and the founder of Somatic Therapy Practice, a platform offering direct, human-centered access to vetted integrative therapists worldwide. Before transitioning into psychotherapy, Sasha spent over a decade in Tech, including nine years at Google, working in operations, product, and change management. Today, she bridges mental health and high-performance worlds, creating spaces where people can speak honestly about the inner work behind outer success. If you enjoyed this episode, please like, subscribe, and share with someone who might need it!