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Listen to the full episode now! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Are you searching for meaning in abstract ideas, or are you actually experiencing the "buzzing, booming confusion" of being alive? In this episode of With & For, Dr. Pam King sits down with author, activist, and educator Parker J. Palmer to explore the difference between surviving and truly thriving. Parker Palmer challenges the way we think about purpose, suggesting that thriving isn’t found in a textbook—it’s found in the heart, the body, and the mind. Together, they dive into the "pain of the divided life" and how we can find our way back to wholeness by listening to our inner teacher. In this episode, we discuss: -The Experience of Being Alive: Why thriving is about connection—to yourself, to others, and to the world around you. -Healing the Divided Life: How to close the gap between your inner truth and your outer actions. -The "Complicated City" Within: Navigating the many voices inside us—from greed and envy to authenticity and calling. -Spiritual Grounding: Finding a sense of belonging in the midst of life's chaos.