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In this excerpt, author Naomi Klein reflects on the life of Pope Francis, his meeting with JD Vance and the concept of “ordo amoris”. Translated from Latin as “order of love”, the Catholic ideology ranks who we should care for the most. To engineer End Times Fascism, you need to convince people to abandon their empathy and connections with others, Klein explains. The antidote? “A ferocious love.” Join Laura Flanders & Friends on YouTube this Friday, May 9 at 5:00 p.m. for the premiere of Naomi Klein & Astra Taylor: Are We Entering “End Times Fascism”? Subscribe to our channel and hit the bell icon to get notified when the episode is live: / @lauraflandersandfriends Episode premiere: May 9, 2025 5:00 PM ET on Youtube • Naomi Klein & Astra Taylor: Are We Enterin... May 11, 2025 11:30AM ET on WORLD and Local PBS Stations May 14, 2025 on Apple Podcasts and Spotify May 14, 2025 5:00 PM ET on radio via Audioport & PRX Radio Exchange Check local listings at lauraflanders.org. Visit https://lauraflanders.simplecast.com/ to subscribe to the podcast and download new episodes. Podcast subscriber will receive the full, uncut conversation with Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor this Friday, May 9 at 5:30 p.m. ET. Instagram: / lauraflandersandfriends Facebook: / lauraflandersandfriends Tiktok: / lauraflandersandfriends Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/lauraflander... Laura Flanders & Friends is non-commercial independent media that relies on the contributions of viewers and listeners. DONATE TODAY at https://lauraflanders.org/donate/ or consider becoming a PATREON partner at / lauraflandersandfriends