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My guest today is Simone Collins, co-founder with her husband Malcolm of pronatalist.org, an advocacy organisation whose mission is to empower families who choose to preserve and expand human cultural, ethnic, and genetic diversity. They are also the authors of ‘The Pragmatist’s Guide’ series of books, the most recent of which is The Pragmatist’s Guide to Crafting Religion. We spoke about why progressives ought to care about birth rates, why a demographic ‘hard landing’ could look really ugly, and why laws requiring the use of car seats act as contraception. In the extended version of the episode we spoke about Simone’s plan to have seven children, why you don’t need to be a tradwife in order to be pro-natal, and the ethics of polygenic embryo screening. You can find extended episodes, bonus episodes, and the MMM chat community at louiseperry.substack.com If you value what we’re doing, you can also support the show by subscribing on YouTube, liking our episodes, and rating and reviewing us on Apple podcasts. The MMM podcast can also be found on Substack, Apple, Spotify, and all other podcast platforms. 00:00 Intro 01:10 Why progressives should care about birth rates 04:21 How does fertility vary within nations? 07:55 Fertility collapse is already happening 12:20 How do we create a culture that is both progressive and pro-natal? 14:55 Do we exaggerate the importance of house prices in fertility decline? 19:01 The limits of the nuclear family model 23:40 What about the environment? 29:05 Why fertility collapse won’t solve the climate crisis 33:36 The cost of giving birth in America 36:24 Effective pro-natal policy 39:40 What does a ‘hard landing’ look like? 43:21 Changing the cultural message on parenthood 50:39 Satisfaction versus hedonism 53:30 How can we create pro-natal cultures within families? 56:03 Outro The MMM podcast can also be found on Apple, Spotify, and all other streaming platforms: https://linktr.ee/maidenmothermatriarch Follow Maiden Mother Matriarch on social media: Twitter: / maiden_podcast Instagram: / maiden_mother_matriarch TikTok: tiktok.com/@maiden_podcast Keeper - Meet the person who meets your standards with the world’s most advanced matchmaking solution. Driven by AI and relationship science. Guided by human care. Learn more at https://keeper.ai #LouisePerry #ProNatalism #MaidenMotherMatriarch