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In this engaging conversation, Ben Jorgensen from Armor For Sleep shares insights into his music career, the significance of the emo scene, and the impact of their albums on fans. The discussion covers the rivalry between music scenes, the nostalgia associated with early 2000s music, and the experiences of touring, including Warped Tour and the Emo's Not Dead cruise. Ben reflects on the support from his label, the communal experience of live performances, and the unexpected success of their music, including their inclusion in the Transformers soundtrack. Topics Covered: Ben discusses the origins of the song about Williamsburg. The rivalry between different music scenes in the 2000s. The significance of the music scene from 1999 to 2005. Ben reflects on the impact of his early music on fans. The communal experience of music at live shows. The supportive role of Equal Vision Records in Ben's career. The unexpected success of 'What To Do When You're Dead'. The importance of nostalgia in music appreciation. The unique experience of playing at Warped Tour. The intimate atmosphere of the Emo's Not Dead cruise. Merch sales directly support the band. Fans' efforts to attend shows are deeply appreciated. Touring has become more about enjoyment than profit. The emo scene is experiencing a resurgence. Nostalgia for emo music is not fading away. Streaming algorithms complicate music promotion. The new album was initially planned as an EP. Full albums hold more artistic value than singles. Creativity should not be compromised for algorithms. The band is committed to their musical identity and future. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Ben from Armour for Sleep 03:27 The Origins of 'Hating Williamsburg' 06:11 Northeast Music Scene Memories 09:09 The Impact of 'Dream to Make Believe' 12:11 The Significance of 'What to Do When You're Dead' 14:36 MTV and Mainstream Success 17:27 The Concept Behind 'What to Do When You're Dead' 20:07 Fan Reactions and Cultural Impact 23:26 The Journey to the Transformers Soundtrack 25:52 Warped Tour Memories and Experiences 32:29 The Club vs. Festival Debate 33:43 The Emo's Not Dead Cruise Experience 37:59 Reaping the Rewards of Longevity in Music 43:09 Navigating the Streaming Age and Algorithms 45:20 Creating the New Album: There Is No Memory 52:25 The Journey of New Music Release 56:02 Revival of Emo and Nostalgia 01:00:17 The Impact of Live Shows and Community 01:05:35 Reflections on Musical Legacy 01:09:41 The Future of Creativity and Music Guest Links: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/armorforsle... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/7eSbp... About Bardown Breakdown: Power chords and crashing boards. Mikey, Tom, and Justin talk music, hockey, and anything else that gets in their way. Tom and Mikey are lifelong friends that grew up on Long Island during the glory days of alternative music where our local bands were As Tall As Lions, Brand New, Taking Back Sunday, Bayside, The Sleeping, Envy on the Coast, you get the point. We spent many nights together at The Downtown, catching any pop-punk, indie, hardcore, or emo band that came through. This was not a phase, Mom! Fast forward 20 years and we are still just as passionate about the scene as we were during our girl jeans and youth XL band tees days. Tom and Mikey are diehard New York Islanders fans, but Justin (Bolts fan) likes to remind us that we are https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/notan.... As we got older we realized we can like more than one thing and running beside our love for music has always been our love for hockey. We have realized we are not alone in this thinking, actually there are many of us that love these two things! This podcast explores just how connected they are! NEW EPISODE EVERY TUESDAY! SUBSCRIBE SO YOU NEVER MISS A GREAT INTERVIEW!