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This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/422 Fabrice Bernhard - Co-Author of “The Lean Tech Manifesto” & Co-Founder & CTO at Theodo Steve Pereira - C o-Author of “Flow Engineering” & Principal Consultant at Visible Flow Consulting RESOURCES Fabrice https://bsky.app/profile/fab-ber.bsky... https://x.com/fabriceb https://github.com/fabriceb / fabricebernhard Steve https://x.com/steveelsewhere https://github.com/stevepereira / devopsto https://stevepereira.ca Links https://hbr.org/1986/01/the-new-new-p... DESCRIPTION Fabrice Bernhard, co-founder of Theodo and co-author of "The Lean Tech Manifesto", shares his journey from agile practitioner to lean thinking advocate. The discussion explores how lean principles can scale agile practices beyond small teams, the misconceptions around both methodologies, and the emergence of tech-enabled networks of teams as a new organizational model. Fabrice emphasizes that both lean and agile are fundamentally about people, not processes, and shares practical lessons from scaling his consultancy to 700 people while maintaining agility through lean principles. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Fabrice Bernhard & Benoît Charles-Lavauzelle • The Lean Tech Manifesto • https://amzn.to/3Z4EbU6 Steve Pereira & Andrew Davis • Flow Engineering • https://amzn.to/3GY3u44 General Stanley McChrystal, Collins, Silverman & Fussell • Team of Teams • https://amzn.to/4bUzhQY Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • https://amzn.to/4a2gh0i Bill Frasure, Bruce Eckel, James Ward • Effect Oriented Programming • https://amzn.to/4sO6wLV Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies • https://amzn.to/3XTmNCc Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/gotocon.com) Instagram ( / goto_con ) LinkedIn ( / goto- ) Facebook ( / gotoconferences ) CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: / @goto- Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech (https://gotopia.tech) SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL (https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConf...) - new videos posted daily!