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Nobel Peace Prize laureate Oleksandra Matviichuk, Chairwoman of Ukraine’s Center for Civil Liberties (CCL), joins Eric with The Change Agent Podcast to examine the future of international justice, accountability, and civilian protection amid Russia’s ongoing aggression against Ukraine. Ukraine is now a full State Party to the International Criminal Court (ICC). Arrest warrants have been issued for Vladimir Putin and other senior Russian officials. Yet enforcement depends on state cooperation, and the crimes against Ukrainian civilians continue. What does international justice actually achieve in wartime? Do arrest warrants matter without an international police force? And how can accountability gaps—particularly the crime of aggression—be addressed? In this in-depth conversation, Matviichuk discusses: • ICC enforcement challenges and jurisdictional limits • The crime of aggression and calls for a Special Tribunal • Systemic civilian detention under Russian occupation • Torture, deportation, and the documentation of crimes against humanity • Frozen Russian assets and reparations mechanisms • The psychological toll of documenting atrocities • Justice as a parallel track to peace negotiations • Leadership, hope, and long-term responsibility This episode explores Ukraine, international law, war crimes accountability, human rights advocacy, and the global consequences of impunity. It is a conversation about truth, power, and the difficult path toward justice. 00:00 – Introduction 00:40 – The collapse of the global rules-based order 03:50 – ICC arrest warrants and their real-world impact 07:10 – The crime of aggression and why it matters 11:05 – The psychological toll of documenting atrocities 17:50 – Civilians in legal “no man’s land” 20:20 – Reparations, frozen assets, and financial justice 23:15 – Justice beyond the courtroom 27:05 – Law versus power 29:45 – What future human rights defenders must accept -------------- Ukraine's Center for Civil Liberties: https://ccl.org.ua/en/ Oleksandra Matviichuk LinkedIn: / oleksandra-matviichuk-3965215 -------------- Visit Our Website: https://www.thechangeagent.studio Support Our Work: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2449509/su... Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4LoAakY... ----------------- CREDITS ----------------- Music: The Surge by Cody Martin - Soundstripe ContentID: SVONXLZ13HJQWTT4 --------------- Production Lead: Tonya Bulgakova (Ukraine) ---------------- Graphics and Video Introduction: Voice: ElevenLabs (Intro Voice); Graphics and Video created by Andrii Horkavyi (Ukraine) Find Andrii's Work Here: https://www.upwork.com/freelancers/~0... ---------------- Video Clips: Video by Dmytro Glazunov: https://www.pexels.com/video/a-statue... Video by Edward Rode: https://www.pexels.com/video/statue-w...