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What does real food security look like? It’s not stockpiling tins or waiting for governments to fix broken systems—it’s designing abundance right where you are. In this episode of Discover Permaculture: The Podcast, Geoff sits down with Sam Parker-Davies, Ben Missimer, and Eric Seider to explore how permaculture transforms anxiety about the future into empowered action. Key Takeaways: 00:01:16 – 00:02:13: Supermarket dependency, food miles, and the “nine meals away from hunger” concept. 00:02:13 – 00:05:00: Food security as a living, self-replicating system rather than hoarding supplies. 00:05:00 – 00:12:25: Ben describes three worldviews—complacent, proactive, and hopeless—and how they respond to instability. 00:12:25 – 00:14:35: There’s a big difference between feeding people and nourishing them—true food security is about nutrition, not just calories. 00:14:35 – 00:16:31: Breaking down calorie crops vs. nutrient-dense diversity systems. 00:16:31 – 00:19:15: How 300–400 hours a year in the garden can replace 2,000+ hours of dependent work and pharmaceuticals. 00:19:15 – 00:23:17: How self-reliance reshapes mindset, time, and family connection. 00:23:17 – 00:26:46: Each guest recalls the moment they decided to design their own food security. 00:26:46 – 00:30:07: Geoff shares how his early permaculture training helped him see food systems like engineered ecosystems. 00:30:07 – 00:33:29: Balcony gardens producing 20 kg a year and a 64 m² site yielding 13.5 tonnes—proof small can be mighty. 00:33:29 – 00:36:59: Scaling permaculture principles while maintaining natural patterns. 00:36:59 – 00:42:19: How energy flows and scale shape ecosystems—from small gardens to 66 km² farms. 00:42:19 – 00:44:29: Why even farmers no longer grow food for themselves and how that disconnect emerged. 00:44:29 – 00:46:36: Designing urban, peri-urban, rangeland, and forestry zones to meet all human needs with just 4–6% of current land use. 00:46:36 – 00:49:14: How to motivate others to join the shift—through storytelling, community, and example. 00:49:14 – 00:52:08: Learning through experimentation and community networks—permaculture in action. 00:52:08 – 00:57:16: Imagining a world where everyone designs their food security. 00:57:16 – 00:58:10: Geoff’s closing message: “We design for abundance, not just for ourselves, but for people we’ll never meet.” 🌏 Guests Ben Missimer — Ben is a regenerative designer and technologist who uses LiDAR, drone imaging, and GIS tools to reveal the hidden patterns of the land. From remote landscapes to urban projects, he transforms terrain data into actionable designs that restore ecosystems. His work combines science, technology, and permaculture principles to guide landscapes from degraded to abundant. 🔗 Website: https://www.pearlriverecodesign.com 📸 Instagram: @benmissimer ▶️ Youtube: / @benmissimer 📘 Facebook: / pearlriverecodesign Sam Parker-Davies — Sam is a global permaculture designer, teacher, and consultant with projects spanning deserts, forests, and mountains across 12+ countries. He blends hands-on implementation with deep design thinking, helping communities regenerate both ecosystems and the social systems that depend on them. Sam’s teaching and consulting showcase how practical permaculture can create abundance in even the most challenging environments. 🔗 Website: https://samparkerdavies.weebly.com 📸 Instagram: @samparkerdavies ▶️ Youtube: / @sam.parkerdavies 📘 Facebook: / sam.parkerdavies Eric Seider — Eric is a permaculture consultant, designer, and educator since 2008. He has helped communities around the world create resilient systems, working across deserts, forests, and urban landscapes. As the leader of the Permaculture Community Group in Fair Oaks, California, he cultivates a local hub for education, hands-on learning, and collaboration. Eric turns ideas into thriving ecosystems and empowers others to do the same. 🔗 Website: https://www.ericseider.com 📸 Instagram: @ericseider ▶️ Youtube: / @ericseider 📘 Facebook: / ericseider22 🌾 Permaculture Community Group: https://www.permaculturefairoaks.org 🌿 Community Facebook: / permaculturefairoaks