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TikTok is no different than any other social media company (it wants to serve you irresistible content by predicting your tastes algorithmically), and its processes aren't either (it threw spaghetti and money against the wall until it stuck). But its status as a Chinese company, the first globally successful Chinese media export, and a deeply powerful geopolitical tool means it's the center of a battle over the future of the Internet. In her new book Every Screen on the Planet: The War Over Tiktok, Emily Baker-White describes her years covering the company. (She did it so well executives there even attempted to spy on her phone to find out who she was speaking to inside TikTok.) She tells the story of the most effective attention-grabbing algorithm ever devised — its strange beginnings, and the “messy” people who operate the levers behind its curtain — and explains the legal limbo in which it and its billions of users are now caught. 00:00 Introduction: The Power and Danger of TikTok 00:41 The Rise of TikTok: A Chinese-Owned Phenomenon 02:47 Interview with Emily Baker White: Insights on TikTok 03:23 The Challenges of Sourcing in Tech Journalism 04:47 Project Texas: Inside TikTok's National Security Concerns 06:52 The Origins and Evolution of TikTok 14:32 The Role of Curators and the Algorithm 19:02 Geopolitical Implications of TikTok's Chinese Ownership 26:57 Surveillance and Internal Investigations at TikTok 30:41 Uncovering the Surveillance Plan 32:14 Company's Response and Internal Investigation 34:38 The Messy Reality of TikTok's Operations 37:35 Geopolitical Concerns and Employee Vulnerability 39:36 TikTok's Public Relations and Political Maneuvering 48:38 The TikTok Ban and Trump's Influence 56:29 The Future of TikTok and Digital Sovereignty 01:00:57 Conclusion and Final Thoughts