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What do you do when the life you’ve built starts to fall apart? Jen Hatmaker—bestselling author and award-winning podcaster—joins Kate for a conversation about divorce, faith deconstruction, codependency, soft patriarchy, and what it means to rebuild a life after everything changed. Together, they talk about: The cost of being the “pastor’s wife” in a world that didn’t let her hold spiritual authority Her public unraveling from evangelical celebrity to theological outsider The personal grief of a collapsed marriage and what codependency really looks like Learning to mother herself—and her kids—through heartbreak Why building an honest, whole life is worth the slow, sacred work This is a fiercely honest conversation for anyone who has had to reimagine what wholeness looks like. 💔 If your life is in the middle of a hard rebuild, you are not alone. Find support and encouragement at: https://katebowler.com