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Superintelligent AI is rapidly approaching, and humanity (specifically, the labs building it) is still a long way from proving it can be safely controlled. But what if that’s the wrong way of viewing the problem? Is there a way to instill values to the mutual benefit of both humans and machines? In this episode of the Win-Win Podcast, Liv sits down with Emmett Shear — Twitch co-founder, former interim CEO of OpenAI (for two days when Sam Altman got temporarily fired) and now founder of Softmax — for a groundbreaking conversation on the future of AI alignment. Emmett unpacks why the traditional “control alignment” approach -- which tries to hard-code pre-determined values into artificial intelligence systems -- is destined to fail, and why “organic alignment” inspired by nature, teamwork, and human societies, might be the only path forward for coexistence. From multicellularity to markets, he explains how collective identities form; why betrayal can sometimes be the moral choice; and how we might go about teaching AI to care for us as its own family, rather than see us as masters to obey (or perhaps more accurately, ants to squash). Hear how Emmett's organisation Softmax is experimenting with small, goal-oriented agents in virtual worlds. Why superintelligence should emerge as societies of diverse AIs instead of a single runaway system. And how our own capacity for alignment as groups of humans may be the most powerful clue for what to do next. If you’re ready to explore the very foundations of your assumptions around technology, philosophy and the nature of intelligence itself, this episode will be right up your alley... Chapters: 00:48 - Intro 01:04 - Organic Alignment 09:33 - The Formation Of Emergent Coordination 16:01 - Techniques For Creating Alignment 23:43 - Ideal Environment For Generating Alignment 30:09 - How Much Influence To Give AI 32:49 - The Global Super Organism Of The Market 40:41 - Group Questions 40:50 - Difference Between Coordination And Alignment 43:02 - What Is The Win Condition For Softmax? 50:17 - How To Keep Humans In The Loop? 58:57 - Selecting And Scaling The Right Models 1:02:09 - Blowtorch Theory & Black Holes 1:04:48 - Difference between Agents And Humans 1:07:25 - AI's Capability For Self Modification And Replication. 1:14:35 - Alignment Capacity Vs Aligning With Humanity. 1:18:38 - Does Emmett Believe In God? 1:25:23 - Are Humans The Appendix To The Future Super Intelligence? 1:32:17 - Isn't Human Ethics And Morality Kinda Sketchy? 1:36:17 - AI Consciousness 1:40:48 - One Axiom To Rule Them All? Links: ♾️ Softmax - https://softmax.com/ ♾️ Nebulosity and Meaningness - https://meaningness.com/nebulosity ♾️ Black Holes and our evolving universe - https://theeggandtherock.com/p/in-whi... ♾️ AI Alignment Forum - https://www.alignmentforum.org/ ♾️ Evolving Intrinsic Motivations for Altruistic Behaviour - https://arxiv.org/pdf/1811.05931 Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins. Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube: • Win-Win with Liv Boeree ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUa... ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts... #winwinpodcast #aialignment #ai #aisafety