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This week Carter and Nathan read Donella Meadows’ Thinking in Systems. A foundational primer on systems thinking, the book explores how stocks, flows, feedback loops, and leverage points shape everything from ecosystems to organizations. Join them as they discuss how systems thinking applies to software engineering, the hidden structures behind burnout and tech debt, and how to make high-leverage changes in complex systems. -- Books Mentioned in this Episode -- Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. ---------------------------------------------------------- Thinking in Systems by Donella H. Meadows https://amzn.to/4cMB35k (paid link) Tidy First?: A Personal Exercise in Empirical Software Design by Kent Beck https://amzn.to/3RoB9pR (paid link) Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code by Martin Fowler https://amzn.to/43Wqk5Q (paid link) Fundamentals of Software Architecture: An Engineering Approach by Mark Richards and Neal Ford https://amzn.to/3Y7CNjk (paid link) One Nation Under Blackmail, Vol. 1: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein by Whitney Alyse Webb https://amzn.to/3RsMt4f (paid link) Slow Productivity: The Lost Art of Accomplishment Without Burnout by Cal Newport https://amzn.to/3EH8MAe (paid link) The Software Engineer's Guidebook: Navigating Senior, Tech Lead, and Staff Engineer Positions at Tech Companies and Startups by Gergely Orosz https://amzn.to/3ExwPSa (paid link) What Is ChatGPT Doing ... and Why Does It Work? by Stephen Wolfram https://amzn.to/4iuSUim (paid link) ---------------- 00:00 Intro 01:41 About the Book 03:43 Thoughts on the Book 08:07 Covering the Foundations and Defining Terms 16:36 Feedback loops 22:31 Overconfidence and why models lead us astray. 35:56 Paradigms and Framing 49:30 Leverage Points 01:02:04 Final Thoughts --- Join our Discord Server: / discord Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLC... Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan Nathan's newsletter https://rojoroboto.com/newletter --- Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week! The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io