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In this episode of the Live Faith First Podcast, I sit down with therapist and author Kelsey Blahnik to explore how to live with grace in a divided world. We talk about her concept of the **Clay Mindset**, assertive peacemaking, navigating conflict at the dinner table, parenting without perfectionism, and building the emotional and spiritual muscles we actually need. From political tensions and family dynamics to sleep, nutrition, exposure therapy, and compassionate imagination—this conversation is practical, hopeful, and deeply grounded in faith and mental health. If you’re holding grief and joy at the same time… wrestling with tricky relationships… or trying to grow without losing yourself—this one’s for you. 👉 Subscribe for more conversations where faith meets real life. 👉 Join our newsletter: https://www.livefaithfirst.org/contact Connect with Kelsey Blahnik Website: https://theandwaypress.com/ Website: https://www.theandwaytherapy.com/ Instagram: / theandway Connect with Live Faith First Website: https://www.livefaithfirst.org/ Instagram: / livefaithfirst TikTok: / livefaithfirst Facebook: / livefaithfirst Chapters: [00:00] Life isn’t black and white—it’s “the and” [01:33] Meet Kelsey: Cross-country childhood, social work calling [05:01] What is “The And Way” and why does it matter? [06:06] The “Clay Mindset”: Growth, complexity, and change [08:47] Grace and the limits of change in others [10:44] People need practice, not just intention [13:22] Parts language and internal family systems (IFS) [15:13] Holding two truths: Joy and grief, guilt and love [18:44] “Good enough” parenting and self-compassion [21:17] The healing power of acknowledgement and apology [23:09] Peace exists in the presence of justice—not absence of conflict [24:51] Passivity vs. Assertive Communication [27:10] How to build your “assertiveness muscle” [30:52] Even choosing a restaurant can build assertive skills [32:06] What do you say when Aunt May spouts off at Thanksgiving? [34:26] Labeling others—and how to stop [36:52] The inner conflict we all carry [39:23] Tradeoffs, hypocrisy, and humble compassion [41:11] Building introspection: Leading with your values [42:58] Why hard conversations matter (and grow us) [44:46] Exposure therapy and fear-based avoidance [48:03] Sleep, nutrition, and nervous system care [50:18] Ice cream, hunger, and emotional awareness [54:42] One anchor for uncertain seasons [56:21] What’s bringing Kelsey joy right now? [58:27] Elliot’s work with churches and transitional housing [59:05] Where to find Kelsey and her book [59:37] One thing to try this week: Compassionate imagination