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What if the biggest threat to freedom isn’t a tyrant but our quiet decision to sit out civic life? We dive into Alexis de Tocqueville’s striking idea of “individualism” as a democratic habit of withdrawal—not mere selfishness—and trace how that mindset can hollow out participation, invite overreach, and make liberty feel ornamental instead of lived. With Dr. Zachary German from the Institute of American Civics, we unpack why Tocqueville saw this tendency as an intellectual mistake and how he hoped to redirect it rather than erase it. The turning point is “self-interest well understood,” a practical ethic that shows why small sacrifices for shared goods serve our long-term interests. From town roads and school boards to committees and neighborhood groups, local politics becomes the classroom of freedom, where cooperation is unavoidable and tradeoffs are clear. We talk through the texture of those habits—listening, organizing, compromising—and why frequency matters more than grand gestures. We also probe the complicated role of religion and associations in stitching people back into community. Faith communities can steady democratic life by offering purpose and mutual care, even as democratic culture pushes faith toward utility. Then we wrestle with social media: a powerful tool for organizing that can also perfect solitude and curate away our neighbors. The test is simple and demanding—do digital ties become embodied action that improves the places we share? By the end, we confront Tocqueville’s enduring question: if the old habits have faded, how do we rebuild them now? The answer won’t come from a distant center. It begins close to home, with modest commitments repeated often. If this conversation resonates, follow the show, share it with a friend who cares about civic life, and leave a review with one small action you’ll take this week. Check Out the Civic Literacy Curriculum (https://civics.asu.edu/civic-literacy...) ! School of Civic and Economic Thought and Leadership (https://scetl.asu.edu/) Center for American Civics (https://civics.asu.edu/)