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What if the real good news of the gospel is not that you’re separated from God and need to earn your way back, but that you’ve always been included in Christ? In this deep, theological conversation, Dr. C. Baxter Kruger (Perichoresis.org) and host Latoya Lackey (That Kingdom Life) unpack the bedrock truth of our union with the Father, Son, and Spirit. Together they explore how the early church understood the gospel, why the Western church often distorted it into separation and fear, and how the incarnation reveals God’s unshakable love for humanity. Whether you’ve wrestled with ideas of wrath, justice, and hell—or longed to understand what it means to live fully in Christ—this conversation will expand your vision of God’s heart. 👉 Learn more about Baxter Kruger’s ministry: https://www.perichoresis.org 👉 Connect with Latoya Lackey Ministries: https://www.latoyalackeyministries.com 0:00 – Intro: What if you’re not separated from God? 1:00 – How “Jesus and the Undoing of Adam” changed Latoya’s perspective 2:00 – The actual good news vs. Western religious distortions 3:00 – John’s gospel and the relational nature of God 5:00 – Created inside the Father, Son, and Spirit 7:00 – The lie of separation exposed 10:00 – Before creation: grace already given in Christ (2 Timothy 1:9) 12:00 – Jesus as the Good Shepherd: already true, not made true by faith 16:00 – The divine descent into human delusion 18:00 – Millions awakening worldwide to union in Christ 20:00 – Why our minds and wounds resist this truth 23:00 – The “I Am Not” lies vs. Jesus’ eternal “I Am” 27:00 – Jesus inside our brokenness and garbage can moments 29:00 – Why the incarnation had to be fully human 32:00 – Recapitulation: Christ living what Adam failed to live 35:00 – Justice, wrath, and God’s passionate love 44:00 – God’s justice as restoration, not punishment 47:00 – Consequences vs. God’s relentless pursuit 50:00 – Judgment as crisis, not condemnation 54:00 – Freedom found even in prison cells 1:00:00 – How Western theology drifted into separation thinking 1:03:00 – Why the fullness of time mattered for Christ’s coming 1:10:00 – Israel as the “womb of the incarnation” 1:17:00 – What happens when the church awakens to union 1:20:00 – Everyday people embodying Trinitarian love 1:22:00 – The schemes of the enemy: reinforcing separation 1:27:00 – Closing insights & hope for global awakening 1:22:50 – The Great Exchange & Penal Substitution 1:23:45 – Eastern Orthodox Critique of Evangelicalism 1:24:21 – The Lie of Separation 1:25:29 – Trinitarian Reality at the Cross 1:26:19 – All-Inclusive Humanity of Christ 1:28:32 – Making Jesus Smaller than Adam 1:29:56 – Evil’s Scheme: Spiritualizing Christ in You 1:31:04 – The Spirit in Everyday Life 1:33:18 – Jesus the Way, Truth, and Life (John 14) 1:35:34 – Taking Sides with Jesus’ Vision 1:38:40 – Practical Freedom & Astonishment 1:41:02 – Redefining Church & Kingdom 1:44:23 – Inclusion, Judgment, and Walking with People 1:47:02 – Bonnaroo Story & Loving Without Judgment 1:49:06 – 44,000 Denominations & Separation 1:51:16 – Freedom in Relationships & Trinity Story 1:54:34 – Love That Endures Suffering 1:56:01 – Closing Reflections & Resources #BaxterKruger #LatoyaLackey #UnionWithChrist #GospelOfGrace #TrinitarianTheology #Perichoresis #IdentityInChrist #ThatKingdomLife #JesusAndTheUndoingOfAdam #FreedomInChrist