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This call is a clip from an episode of Chewed Gum, a live call-in show that I co-host every Tuesday night at 7pm EST on @qnaline In this episode, I talk with John, a Christian caller who believes human suffering — including cancer, natural disasters, and even animal pain — is necessary for humanity to “evolve.” We get into the problem of evil, free will, randomness, intelligent design, and whether an all-powerful God could create growth without extreme suffering. I push back on the idea that pain is a teaching tool, question why innocent beings suffer without purpose, and explain why — if God exists — he would still need to prove that he’s good. This was a long, thoughtful conversation that perfectly shows why “God works in mysterious ways” stops being satisfying when real suffering is on the table. This episode was co-hosted by Taylor of Skeptical Heretic 🫶🏻 HOSTS --------------------------------------------------- Taylor: instagram.com/skeptical_heretic/ Alyssa Ljub: instagram.com/alyssaljub