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What happens when a chef stops thinking in dishes and starts thinking in systems? In this episode of Fugitive Chefs, I’m joined by Ryan Walker — formerly of SILO, the world’s first zero-waste restaurant, and now co-founder of Flux Fermentation. We talk about what it actually looks like to move from restaurant kitchens into food R&D, fermentation, and industry-facing work — without losing the chef mindset that makes that transition possible in the first place. This isn’t a story about “leaving food.” It’s about translating kitchen skills into places where chefs are rarely invited — manufacturing, regulation, product development, and food systems at scale. We get into: • How restaurant R&D really works (and often doesn’t) • Why chefs make strong translators between creativity and constraint • Fermentation beyond the restaurant, from waste streams to industry • What skills chefs underestimate when moving into food companies • And why limitations, not freedom, often produce the best innovation If you’re a chef curious about R&D, food systems, or roles beyond service — this conversation gives language to a transition many people feel but struggle to explain. 🎧 Fugitive Chefs is your window into alternative culinary careers and bold food innovation. New episodes every Tuesday. 👉 Follow, rate us on Spotify, subscribe & comment on YouTube, and share with someone who’s questioning their place in the kitchen. 🎙 Hosted by Furqan from the Fugitive Chefs Podcast 📸 Furqan’s Instagram: https://bit.ly/4dtiyTv 🎧 Podcast Instagram: https://bit.ly/43ndATO 🎵 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3F6j25A 🍏 Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/43vBtbT ▶️ YouTube: / @fugitivechefs