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What if phishing simulations were as real, local, and dynamic as the attacks employees actually face? In this episode of Scaling Cyber, Simon Bauwens — Co-Founder & CEO of OutKept — shares how his company is reinventing human risk management through a community-driven phishing platform that mirrors the way attackers operate in the real world. Hosted by Ignacio Sbampato — former Chief Business Officer at ESET and founder of BridgerWise — this conversation dives into: ▶️ Why most phishing simulations fail (and how “template-based” awareness creates the wrong reflexes) ▶️ How OutKept’s Ethical Phishing Community works, and why competing phishers generate the most realistic attacks ▶️ The challenge of building multilingual, hyper-local content in Europe ▶️ The truth about competition in a red-ocean market of global incumbents ▶️ Lessons from scaling a cybersecurity startup across Belgium, Poland, Spain, Baltics & beyond ▶️ How Simon turned a sociological background into a strong stance on human behavior in security ▶️ Why AI won’t replace humans — but will supercharge community-based phishing If you’re a founder, investor, CISO, or partner curious about the future of human risk and security awareness, this episode is packed with lessons about product differentiation, international scaling, and building a passionate technical community around a cyber product. 🔗 More about Simon & OutKept Follow Simon on LinkedIn: / simonbauwens Learn about OutKept: https://www.outkept.com 🔗 Subscribe to Scaling Cyber ✍ Substack: https://scalingcyber.substack.com 🔊 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ya2wXn... 🍏 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... ▶️ YouTube: / @scalingcyberpodcast Get in touch: https://scalingcyber.bridgerwise.com Follow Ignacio for more stories from global cyber founders: / ignaciosbampato