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Jean-Baptiste Fressoz, a French historian of science & technology, shares how European societies grappled with climate change centuries before modern science proved the scale and breadth of its impact, revealing a forgotten saga where colonial ambitions and volcanic winters shaped our earliest understanding of Earth's shifting climate. Grounding our discussion is his Fressoz’s 2024 book "Chaos in the Heavens: The Forgotten History of Climate Change," co-authored with Fabien Locher. Episode title on podcast apps: The Forgotten Climate Debate Order Fressoz's book: https://www.versobooks.com/products/2... Listen to Decouple on: • Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6PNr3ml... • Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... • Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1516526694/... • Pocket Casts: https://pca.st/ehbfrn44 • RSS: https://anchor.fm/s/23775178/podcast/rss Website: https://www.decouple.media Chapters: 00:00 Introduction 02:01 Historical Perspectives on Climate Change 03:13 Deforestation and Its Global Impact 03:53 Climate and Political Stability in Early Modern Societies 09:38 The Little Ice Age and Its Implications 11:29 The Orbis Spike Hypothesis 15:48 Colonial Narratives and Climate Change 25:35 Theories of Climate Zones and Human Impact 42:06 Impact of the Tambora Explosion on Climate 46:08 Early Scientific Research on Climate Change 49:32 Deep Time Perspective and Ice Age Discovery 54:35 French Environmentalism and Key Thinkers 01:02:17 Climate Regulation and Private Property 01:06:09 Shift from Climate to Microbiology and Sociology 01:12:51 Nuclear Scientists and Modern Climate Understanding 01:22:34 Final Thoughts