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What do youth group dirt bikes, awkward pizza parties, and Ecclesiastes have in common? According to pastor and author Nicholas McDonald—everything. In this honest and hopeful conversation, Elliot Sands and Nicholas talk about his new book The Light In Our Eyes and the hunger so many people feel for a faith that’s honest, embodied, and full of beauty. They explore what deconstruction really is (and isn’t), why so many have left the Church but not Jesus, and how the Church’s calling is not escape but restoration. Along the way, they laugh at awkward ministry moments, challenge escapist theology, and paint a picture of hope that makes Christians peculiar. This episode is for anyone who's questioning, carrying someone else’s questions, or ready to rebuild their faith story with Jesus at the center. 🔗 Connect with Nicholas McDonald 📘 Book: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/bo... 📰 Newsletter: https://thebardowl.substack.com 🔗 Connect with Live Faith First 🌐 Website: livefaithfirst.org 📩 Join the Email List: Sign up here 📷 Instagram: @livefaithfirst 🎵 TikTok: @livefaithfirst 📘 Facebook: facebook.com/LiveFaithFirst 🙋♂️ Connect with Host Elliot Sands 🌐 Website: elliotsands.me 📷 Instagram: @fool.4.grace Chapters: [00:00] Intro & Welcome [01:05] Dirt Bikes & Youth Group [05:10] What Is Deconstruction? [08:00] The 'Room' Metaphor & Disillusionment [10:30] Church Hurt & Social Disconnection [17:50] Escapist Theology & Historical Context [23:45] Confession, Communion, & Authentic Pastoring [33:40] Ecclesiastes, Anxiety, & Scripture as Mirror [40:10] What Is Restorying? [44:40] The Gospel for the Whole Person [48:00] Bringing Heaven to Earth [59:00] Evangelism Through Presence & Pizza [1:07:00] Advice for Parents of Deconstructing Kids [1:10:00] Hope, Beauty & Jesus' Better Story [1:12:00] Nicholas' Birthday Playlist & Final Thoughts [1:14:30] Closing Blessing