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This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. #GOTOcon #GOTOunscripted https://gotopia.tech Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/407 Ben Smith - Staff Developer Advocate at Stripe @bls20 James Beswick - Head of Developer Relations at Stripe @JamesBeswickD RESOURCES Ben / benjamin_l_s https://github.com/bls20AWS / bensmithportfolio http://developeradvocate.co.uk https://thewebsmithsite.wordpress.com James https://bsky.app/profile/jbesw.bsky.s... / jbesw / jamesbeswick Links https://stripe.dev @StripeDev https://serverlessland.com • Serverlesspresso: Building a Scalable, Eve... • Embrace Step Functions for Efficient Workf... • Battle of the Circuit Breakers: Resilience... • Thinking Serverless: From User Request to ... • DynamoDB in an EDA World • Alex DeBrie • G... • Embracing Complexity in Serverless • Sheen... • C++ – The Newest Old Language • Matt Godbo... • The Magic of Small Things - 10 Years of Mi... • What Comes After Microservices? • Matt Ran... • Harnessing EDA & Workflows to Build Real W... • Tidy First? A Daily Exercise in Empirical ... • One Rule to Rule Them All • Pragmatic Dave... • I Made Everything Loosely Coupled. Does My... • RESTful API Patterns & Practices • Mike Am... • Cloud Chaos & Microservices Mayhem • Holly... • Terraform - The Past, Present (v0.12) & Fu... • Can We Please Stop Talking About Tech Debt... • Professional Skills for Software Engineers... • Communication Patterns • Jacqui Read & Gre... DESCRIPTION James Beswick and Ben Smith explore the evolution of modern software architecture. They discuss why workflow services are essential for managing distributed systems, the challenges of microservices versus monoliths, and the power of plugin architectures. The conversation covers practical topics like idempotency, circuit breaker patterns, and the importance of observability, while also diving into what makes a great developer advocate and how to build demos that truly resonate with developers. TIMECODES 00:00 Intro 00:27 Why workflows matter 06:03 Versioning & evolution 12:03 From monoliths to microservices 19:22 Extensions & extensibility 25:23 Building effective demos & choosing technology 31:35 Observability & debugging 39:57 The art of developer advocacy 45:21 Outro RECOMMENDED BOOKS Simon Brown • Software Architecture for Developers Vol. 2 • https://leanpub.com/visualising-softw... David Farley • Modern Software Engineering • https://amzn.to/3GI468M Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook • https://amzn.to/47oAf3l Simon Wardley • Wardley Maps • https://amzn.to/45U8Upr Simon Wardley • Wardley Mapping, The Knowledge • https://amzn.to/3XQEeDu David Anderson, Marck McCann & Michael O'Reilly • The Value Flywheel Effect • https://amzn.to/3VcHxC Mike Amundsen • Restful Web API Patterns & Practices Cookbook • https://amzn.to/3C74fpH https://bsky.app/profile/gotocon.com / gotocon / goto- / goto_con / gotoconferences #Workflows #Idempotency #Immutability #AWSSAM #Serverless #EDA #EventDrivenArchitecture #Microservices #CircuitBreaker #Stripe #DevRel #DeveloperRelations #DeveloperAdvocacy #API #APIs #Observability #Debugging #BenSmith #JamesBeswick CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: / @goto- Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket at https://gotopia.tech Sign up for updates and specials at https://gotopia.tech/newsletter SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL - new videos posted almost daily. https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConf...