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Is America drifting toward a lawless society? On a new episode of the Stay Tuned with Preet podcast, Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice joins Preet Bharara to discuss what worries her most about the Trump administration—from the erosion of the rule of law to the “speed and efficacy” of executive power. Drawing on her experience serving three presidents, Rice offers an inside look at how White House decisions are made—and why strong leaders welcome dissent. She and Preet also discuss immigration reform, including what a workable framework would require and why the real challenge is political will. The episode leaves listeners with a central question: If we are on the brink of lawlessness, what will it take to preserve our democracy? Make sense of the week’s biggest headlines with an Insider membership: https://cafe.com/offer/insider/ Chapters: 01:22 — What keeps her up at night: Rule of law and “lawless society” 08:37 — Democrats’ warning: No “forgive and forget” for those who “bent the knee” to President Trump 13:34 — How White Houses decide: Who drives the agenda; policymaking as a team sport; “Independent” thinkers—dissent, pushback, honest counsel 23:36 — “Team of rivals” debate: Healthy dissent vs sabotage/leaks—finding the balance 27:48 — Giving bad news upward: Making it safe for dissent; how to deliver hard truths 31:26 — Persuading the president: Smallest room, humility + clarity; don’t “publicly jam” 32:33 — Board of Peace: Gaza “kernel” vs Trump “vanity project” replacing UN Security Council 35:50 — Immigration: Why reform stalled + the four-part framework (pathways, borders, targeted enforcement, normalization)