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Today John is joined by LDS Discussions and Nemo to review the history of the "Golden Plates" as they relate to the creation of the Book of Mormon. Who did the first accounts come from of the existence of these plates? Were they real? What became of attempts to see, show, or steal them? What implications do these stories have on Mormon origins and beliefs regarding encounters with celestial beings, including the God supposedly at the center of their coming forth? Special Guest: @NEMOTHEMORMON LDS Discussions Essay: https://www.ldsdiscussions.com/plates LDS Disc Full Playlist: • LDS Discussions - An Examination of Mormon... Video Chapters: 00:00:00 Introduction 00:04:07 Overview of the puzzle of evidence 00:05:50 Timeline of the Gold Plates accounts 00:07:55 Joseph’s 1823 visitation from Moroni/Nephi 00:13:27 Joseph’s 1823 attempt to retrieve the plates 00:20:50 Problems with the 1823 Gold Plates account 00:22:45 Oliver Cowdery on why the 1823 attempt failed 00:25:40 Joseph told to bring Alvin for the 1824 attempt 00:26:50 The 1824 attempt to recover the Golden Plates 00:28:55 Fallout from Alvin’s death and the 1824 Attempt 00:32:30 What to make of Joseph Smith Sr’s announcement? 00:35:35 The 1825 and 1826 attempts to retrieve the plates 00:44:30 The creation of the “spectacles” 00:45:15 The Book of Mormon spectacles 00:51:45 A second account of the spectacles 00:52:25 The 1827 retrieval of the Gold Plates 01:00:20 Emma’s Role in the 1827 retrieval 01:07:50 What a “Hollow Tree” Looks Like 01:12:30 Watching the plates through the seer stone 01:17:02 Bringing the plates home land the mad dash back 01:22:55 Joseph arrives home with the plates 01:27:30 What the plates would have looked like 01:28:20 Could Joseph Smith have created a prop set of plates? 01:33:00 Problems with the Idea of Gold Plates 01:36:39 Gold Plates are one of Fair Mormon’s “Best Evidence” 01:37:18 The Mormon Church is touting these places, too 01:37:55 All about the Pyrgi plates 01:38:40 Why the Pyrgi Tablets are Problematic for the Book of Mormon 01:44:38 Math, Gold Plates, and the Book of Mormon 01:51:53 Conclusion of LDS Discussions about Gold Plates 02:00:17 What really matters Episode Show Notes: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast... The Creation of the Mormon Church | LDS Discussions: • Joseph Smith’s First Vision | Ep. 1648 | L... LDS Discussions Playlist: • Joseph Smith and Treasure Digging | Ep. 15...