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As South Africans argue over the Not In Our Name declaration — as families divide over whether Afrikaners are persecuted or privileged — I talk to a woman who’s living proof of how deep that fracture runs. Six months ago, this Afrikaans woman, "Lillie van die Plaas", boarded a plane to the United States — not for opportunity, but for survival. Under Donald Trump’s refugee program for Afrikaners, she and her family were granted asylum in America. Her name is Lianda. She doesn’t want to reveal her surname — but she refuses to stay silent. From Dallas, she joins me to talk about leaving South Africa, starting over in America, and what this moment of fracture says about the "Afrikaner Declaration.", the debate about "not in my name" and the Trump Afrikaner refugee program. This is a no-holds-barred, unfiltered conversation — about fear, belonging, and the real price of walking away from home. You can follow "Lillie van die Plaas" on her own YouTube channel where she shares her story: / @lielievandieplaas